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2008 John Smith's Grand National: The Verdict

Posted by Peter Harvey on March 31, 2008 10:15 PM | 

John Smith's Grand National

40/1 D'ARGENT FOR GRAND NATIONAL GLORY?


national_logo.jpgWE’VE got the shortlist. Now, it’s a case of picking the winner. Here’s a look at each of the shortlisted horses (in alphabetical order):

U-5111 CLOUDY LANE (8yo 10st 11lb)

The Donald McCain trained Cloudy Lane is the outstanding horse in the race, according to the formbook, and arguably deserves to be favourite.


He’s won three back-to-back races this season including the Grimthorpe Chase at Doncaster on March 1 which former stable mate Amberleigh House won as a prep race before winning the 2004 Grand National.


He travels well in races, jumps well and is quick, but Cloudy Lane is a relatively inexperienced horse whose form can be interpreted as shaky at longer distances.


No recent National winner has gone into the race in such good form, but that can hardly count against him.

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It doesn’t appear that Aintree was a specific target at the start of the season but good performances have not only elevated him into the handicap, but also catapulted him to favouritism.


However, there’s a feeling that Cloudy Lane may have peaked too early this season and that his form flatters?


With a potential lack of stamina in mind, the riding tactic of holding him up has worked well for Cloudy Lane, but such a ploy could leave too much to do amid the relentless pace of the Grand National, especially if the going is towards soft.


Eight-year-olds have a fair record in the National (Corbiere, Party Politics, Bindaree), but not a great one, perhaps due to lack of experience. An extra year (from eight to nine) worked wonders for Hedgehunter, also owned by Trevor Hemmings.


He was out on his hooves behind Amberleigh House and Clan Royal in 2004 when falling at the last fence. A year later carrying more weight, and admittedly ridden under different tactics, he won comfortably.


There’s no doubt that Cloudy Lane can win the Grand National, but I suspect another 12 months could make all the difference, unless the handicapper clobbers him.


More experience (including of Aintree’s big fences), extra strength and a specific training plan for the race could see him heading for the winner’s enclosure next spring if things don’t work out this time.


If he chips his way round to finish in the top ten this year, he’ll be near the top of the ante-post list for 2009.


It’s arguably a dangerous strategy to scrub the favourite from the reckonings, but picking winners is all about calculated risk. For now, he’s lacking a bit of experience for me and there's a question mark hanging over his stamina.


P/0P21 COMPLY OR DIE (9yo 10st 9lb)

Comply or Die is one of best handicapped horses in the field and on that basis alone he has a cracking chance.


The nine-year-old by the French and Irish Derby winner Old Vic has been heavily backed by the shrewd ante post punters over the last three weeks and he looks set to start at 12/1 or less.


It’s been a remarkable few months for the lightly-raced horse, quite a renaissance, after almost two years off between December 2005 and October 2007.


His comeback performances were poor, but blinkers appeared to spark him into action by running Cloudy Lane close at Haydock in December.


His last run, the 4m 1f marathon Eider Chase at Newcastle on February 23, was his best yet and proved that despite his pedigree he’s got stamina. Again, headgear appeared to do the trick.


The comfortable win under top weight of 11st 10lbs was his first since 2004 though and the quality of the race has been questioned by form experts. His other successes were against small fields at short prices.


It’s also worth noting that there is not a great history of Eider Chase horses continuing their good form at Aintree.


Applying the statistical trends rigidly he is right up there with D’Argent as an indentikit Grand National winner.


However, I’m concerned that he may struggle to win two 4m+ chases within six weeks of each other. Fresher horses may just pip him on the run-in.


The fact that Comply or Die was being lined up for the Kim Muir Chase at the Cheltenham Festival three weeks ago also indicates that the Grand National is not the focus of the season for trainer, owner or both.


Weight, stamina, age, jumping and speed shouldn't pose problems at Aintree and a repeat of his last two runs would certainly put him in contention. But will he be fresh? Will the form work out?


Trainer David Pipe is hoping to emulate his father’s Grand National success with Miinnehoma in 1994.


2-P014 D’ARGENT (11yo 10st 12lb)

Some trends analysts would argue that grey horses don’t win the Grand National. Well, not since Nicolaus Silver in 1961 anyway.


D’Argent is bred with plenty of stamina. His sire Roselier gave us Grand National winners Bindaree (2002) and Royal Athlete (1995) as well as one of the best Aintree horses never to win a National, Suny Bay (runner-up 1997 & 1998).


Roselier’s breeding successes over marathon distances also include Moorcroft Boy (3rd, 1994), Ebony Jane (4th, 1994), as well as Scottish Grand National winner Baronet (1998) and Welsh National winner Carvill’s Hill (1991). No other horse can boast such impressive offspring at marathon distances.


In the past D'Argent has been regarded as a dodgy jumper at times, which admittedly is not the greatest quality for Aintree’s 30 fences. However, the form book shows he’s only ever fallen once.


Admittedly a blunder cost him the Midlands National at Uttoxeter in 2005 when he unseated regular jockey Robert Thornton with the race at his mercy.


Generally though, D'Argent has a handy habit of getting away with occasional bad jumps.


Trainer Alan King (stable in great form, including landing the Champion Hurdle with Katchit) said he was considering retiring the horse prior to his win at Warwick in January over 3m 5f. D'Argent had other ideas and won the £39K prize with arguably the best performance of his career.


Blinkers seemed to help his jumping that day and they will be fitted again for his tilt at the Grand National. Again, some pundits will drag out facts to suggest horses wearing headgear don’t win the National. Ignore them. Earth Summit won in 1998 and relatively few have since tried. L'Escargot also won wearing blinkers in 1975.


Prior to the improved jumping performances, King was twice quoted as saying D’Argent is not suitable for Aintree. The Indian summer thanks to blinkers has changed his mind and he now believes D'Argent could bring the stable its first Grand National win.


It is difficult to fault D’Argent’s credentials. Even the fact he’s raced four times this season, including a win, mirrors the general profiles of past recent winners. His last outing was at Haydock in the Red Vodka Grand National trial when he came a creditable fourth, providing a great workout if nothing else.


He’s at the optimum age as well and his record of 18 chase runs (five wins and two placings) in just over four years shows sufficient experience in good quality races without fears of him being battle weary.


Importantly, he’s also shown better form in big, bustling fields including winning a three-way finish at Cheltenham.


D’Argent’s five chase wins have come on left-hand courses, like Aintree, each under the guidance of Robert ‘Choc’ Thornton.


After the euphoria of the Cheltenham Festival, D’Argent could make it a memorable spring double for King and Thornton. Can you see the headlines? Choc’s Away! King of Aintree! Grey Day!


Not only does D’Argent offer arguably the best trends profile for 2008, he also offers potentially great value at 40/1 (available March 28). My idea of a Grand National winner.


612-80 McKELVEY (9yo 11st 0lb)

McKelvey finished like the proverbial steam train in last year’s Grand National. A further 100 yards, possibly only 50 yards, and the £399K prize was his.


Many punters will have marked him down as one for 2008 and will have since been watching out for him.


Despite 11 stone to carry (ten pounds more than in 2007), he still looked a good thing when the weights were published six weeks ago.


However, he’s had an unconventional preparation by trainer Peter Bowen, with only two equally unimpressive hurdle races so far this season. Bowen says the Grand National was always the sole target for 2008, but with so little race experience since last year, it is hard to see McKelvey winning.


Some horses produce their best form at Aintree and he may have been packing in a lot of fitness training at home.


104329 NAUNTON BROOK (9yo 10st 10lb)

Naunton Brook's credentials are far from spectacular but he fits the bill on several fronts: ideal weight, jumping, Aintree experience, four wins at 3miles+, won a 26K race and he's got the only two-time Grand National winning trainer Nigel Twiston-Davies (Earth Summit and Bindaree).


He's twice run very well in the Welsh National, a great trial race for Aintree (e.g. Silver Birch), coming 4th and 5th ahead of some decent horses.


He loves to bowl along in front but faded quickly after one circuit of the National last year. Jumped really well though and I expect him to be the trailblazer again this year.


I'll offer evens money on him leading at Becher's first time round?


His form is significantly improved this season, albeit not winning form and I reckon he could be in the frame at big odds with some luck in running.


Worth a place-only bet, if you can get one. He'll go off at 50/1, perhaps as high as 100/1 with some bookies. You may get considerably bigger prices with Betfair or the Tote.


080403 POINT BARROW (10yo 10st 12lb)

After 24 years of frustration following L’Escargot’s win in 1975, the Irish have been spoilt with success at Aintree in recent years.


Irish Grand National winners, in particular, have followed up their triumphs at Fairyhouse with victories at Aintree. Can Bobbyjo and Numbersixvalverde be followed by Point Barrow, the 2006 Irish National winner?


Point Barrow was 8/1 co-favourite last year when stumbling on landing in the traditional cavalry charge at the first fence. The usually reliable jumper can be forgiven his exhuberance.


County Carlow trainer Pat Hughes has again swerved the Irish National this year, which shows his commitment to winning at Aintree.


Point Barrow’s form throughout his 23 races over fences (including five wins) has been inconsistent, but there is no doubting he can deliver the goods on his day as he showed at Fairyhouse and also by winning the Pierse Chase at Leopardstown last February against 18 other runners.


This season’s form has been disappointing so far, but the Irish have a canny knack of keeping their best Grand National horses out of the spotlight in the run-up to Aintree with quiet prep races.


On the plus side, Point Barrow’s preparation is as encouraging as Papillon’s in 2000.


Point Barrow is not the speediest horse but with a patient ride I can see him battling out a finish to give the Irish another taste of Grand National glory.


Postscript (March 30): Royal Auclair, one of the original seven shortlisted horses, is a non-runner.


Touchline Dad’s verdict:

1, D’ARGENT

2, POINT BARROW

3, COMPLY OR DIE


Let me know YOUR selections for the Grand National by posting a comment. It's OK you can use a pseudonym. No email needed or registration required. Look forward to reading your comments.

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Comments (20)

csb wrote...

Oh dear! My shortlist also has D'argent and Comply or Die. The extra weight of our combined expectations may be too much for the poor horses.
Hopefully there will be a little bit more rain for D'argent and if the ground was to come up soft I wouldn't rule out Ossmoses at good odds if it makes the final cut. Philson Run will also run a big race if conditions come up soft.
AP McCoy has opted to ride Butlers Cabin, so with his past record we can probably rule that one out. Top Trainer Paul Nicholls is another who has a bad record so we can rule all of his out. (its easy this!)
Favourite, Cloudy Lane, has some of my money on it at a much bigger price, but there is no value in it now and has doubts over its stamina.
Simon will be a popular choice with its name but it does have a serious chance. It was going well until faling last year and any rain will help its chances.
Bewleys Berry is another with a serious e/w chance. He has done well over the course before but doesn't want it soft.
For what its worth Andrew will have a small e/w wager on his favourite horse, Hedgehunter but will want Cloudy Lane to win as well because they have the same colours.
to conclude If its soft I predict
D'argent, Philson Run, Simon & Comply or Die. (Ossmosses if it makes the cut.)
Bewleys Berry, Comply or Die @ Hedgehunter if conditions are good.
Good luck to everyone.


Posted by: csb  | March 31, 2008 1:26 PM

Touchline Dad wrote...

That's half the field covered between us then, Colin!!

Hedgehunter's a great Grand National horse but he'd step into the Red Rum category if he humps top weight to victory.

Well not quite. Rummy was a one-off.

Thanks for sharing your tips. I'd hate to look silly on my own.


Posted by: Touchline Dad  | March 31, 2008 1:56 PM

callum wrote...

hello my shortlist has quiet a few that has been said but sum uthers 2

dargent
comply or die
bewleys berry
baily breeze
point barrow
slim pickings

the finishing order

1st comply or die
2nd dargent
3rd bewleys berry
4th baily breeze
5th point barrow

Posted by: callum  | March 31, 2008 2:18 PM

Touchline Dad wrote...

Thanks Callum. I think there will be some serious money for Comply or Die and it could rival Cloudy Lane for favouritism. Pity the good price was snapped up some quickly!

My two bets only cover D'Argent and Point Barrow, but CoD is my no.3 choice.

Posted by: Touchline Dad  | March 31, 2008 3:36 PM

csb wrote...

Just for your information TD. There is a horse running in the Topham on Friday called Pak Jack and should be a great each way bet for you! Has finished in the frame 3 times over the National fences already and will be a decent price I suspect. I wont tell the Gaffer if you dont!

Posted by: csb  | March 31, 2008 4:08 PM

Wallstreetrunner wrote...

Firstly I would like to applaud you on the tips and advice given for Saturday's big race. I am still interested in Snowy Morning for the big race with a OR of 155 and a good weight of 11-1. It has to be said that his recent losses to Afistfullofdollars and The Listener is less than inspiring, however, he was carrying 3lb more than Hedgehunter that day to a loss 0f 3 and a 1/2 lengths. The fact that he's a second season novice is a worry and his less than inspiring recent form, plus his trainer's thoughts of his national chances. Finally, his fast finishing 2nd in the 2007 Royal and Sunalliance chase shows that he mights stay the trip. His jumping (except for his fall in the hennesy) is moderae if not the best but horses recently who have been very suspect jumpers have got round the national fences which arent as "mammoth" as what they used to be.
Other horses to note are Cloudy Lane who must be in with a huge shout because of the McCain factor and his recent excellent form after the weights were issued. A horse running off a weight of 10-11 when his new OR should be at the top of the handicap is a massive factor to his chances. He stays over 3 miles and except for his usual error, jumps like a stag. But the price off 5-1 is far from plumping on for a horse that as yet hasnt run over the national fences.
The third horse to note is Mon Mome who has had a quiet campaign this season and has been kept fresh by Venetia Williams. His only run at Aintree resulted in success and is another at a good price who could run well wit ha weight of 10-11. The horse gives the impression of a real National type and his staying on 6th last time out at Cheltenham should have blown away the cobwebs.
Finally Comply or die is sure to run well for David Pipe. His second to cloudy lane (4lb) pull and recent 8l success shows that after a 2 year absence the horse might be showing a revival of ability. Well, any horse who carries 11-12 to an eider success has to be given a tremendous chance. The horse should be a clear second favourite and the horse's recent improvement is worth great note.

I predict the result to be:

1' Cloudy Lane
2' Comply or Die
3' Snowy Morning
4' Mon Mome
5' Slim Pickings
6' Butler's Cabin

In addition does anyone know why Chelsea Harbour is being gambled on?? The horse does not have the class and for his ability has too much weight.

Posted by: Wallstreetrunner  | April 1, 2008 6:47 PM

Touchline Dad wrote...

Excellent wallstreetrunner. Thanks for sharing your views.

I reckon between us we might have the winner!

Despite Cloudy Lane's crazy price, I think we've got a very open race this year and the compressed handicap could throw up a surprise.

Gone are the days of two stones difference between top and bottom weight.

The Chelsea Harbour gamble baffles me too. It seems that the odds of whatever horse is talked up by the trainer or owner in the Racing Post are automatically slashed by the bookies, regardless of whether there's real cash for it.

I can't see many scousers backing Chelsea!

Posted by: Touchline Dad  | April 1, 2008 9:04 PM

Jason wrote...

Looks like Naunton Brook will be running. Any futher comments on Naunton TD?

Posted by: Jason  | April 2, 2008 10:44 AM

Touchline Dad wrote...

Jason, not sure why Naunton Brook was reported as 'out' and then 'in.' Someone, somewhere could have make a few quid on the betting exchanges. He hit 400/1 with Betfair while he was a 'non runner.'

Anyway...Naunton Brook's credentials are far from spectacular but he fits the bill on several fronts: ideal weight, jumping, Aintree experience, four wins at 3miles+, won a 26K race and he's got the only two-time Grand National winning trainer Nigel Twiston-Davies (Earth Summit and Bindaree).

Twice run very well in the Welsh National, a great trial race for Aintree (e.g. Silver Birch), coming 4th and 5th ahead of some decent horses.

He loves to bowl along in front but faded quickly after one circuit of the National last year. Jumped really well though and I expect him to be the trailblazer again on Saturday.

Even money on him leading at Becher's first time round?

His form is significantly improved this season, albeit not winning form.

I reckon he could be in the frame at big odds with some luck in running. Worth a place-only bet, if you can get one. He'll go off at 50/1, perhaps as high as 100/1 with some bookies. You could get considerably bigger prices with Betfair or the Tote.

Thanks. Now he's back in the race, I'll update the entry accordingly.

Posted by: Touchline Dad  | April 2, 2008 9:27 PM

J C wrote...

Naunton Brook looks a tasty bet but why is his odds at 100-1? Is it worth sticking a fiver on him e/w?

Posted by: J C  | April 3, 2008 3:11 PM

Touchline Dad wrote...

I've only backed two horses - D'Argent and Point Barrow, but I'm tempted to throw a couple of quid on Naunton Brook each-way at 100/1.

As I say, he's got a chance of running into a place.

Why such a big price? Don't know. The bookies get one or two wrong every year. Look at Philson Run last year, 4th at 100/1. That's the same as a 25/1 winner!

Posted by: Touchline Dad  | April 3, 2008 4:07 PM

Tess wrote...

I will go for HEDGEHUNTER as he brought me good forune a few year back, and perhaps CLOUDY LANE?? because it was talkled about on the radioo today.

IS TD at Ladies Day, you dish. See you there!!!!!

Posted by: Tess  | April 3, 2008 4:45 PM

Annie wrote...

the best tip offs are as follow:

1. Simon
2. slim pickings
3. snowy morning
4. turko
5. cloudy lane

Posted by: Annie  | April 4, 2008 7:38 AM

james wrote...

Butlers cabin is sure to win the national with A P Mccoy as jockey. It has previously won the irish national in 2007 and the cheltenham festival in 07.The result will be:
1.Butlers cabin
2.Point Barrow
3.D'ARGENT

Posted by: james  | April 4, 2008 5:48 PM

JIM wrote...

THIS WILL BE THE ORDER:
1.Butlers cabin
2.Point barrow
3.D'argent

Posted by: JIM  | April 4, 2008 5:50 PM

Touchline Dad wrote...

Good luck everyone. Just a couple of hours to go...

It looks like the professional pundits are backing COMPLY OR DIE, and the public are going for HEDGEHUNTER and BEWLEY'S BERRY.

Despite not one national tipster going for D'ARGENT or POINT BARROW, I'm sticking to my guns.

Jack's invested his £2 pocket money in HEDGEHUNTER and COMPLY OR DIE, while Emily will be cheering for CLOUDY LANE and SNOWY MORNING.

I noticed a bonus 50p each-way bet on TUMBLING DICE at 150/1 had mysteriously appeared on Emily's betting slip when I returned bookies this morning.

It could be fate, said The Gaffer. No, just a bl**dy c*ck-up by Ladbrokes, I said.

Posted by: Touchline Dad  | April 5, 2008 2:13 PM

csb wrote...

Not a bad result TD!
Had a bit of Comply Or Die at 25s
and also had an e/w bet on Snowy Morning courtesy of Rummy's prediction for me.
D'argent ran well for a long way but seemed to have a tired fall near the end. It took to the fences a bit better than some experts were predicting and I think with a bit more cut in the ground he could have been involved at the finish.
Glad Jack got the winner too.

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